This was written by a friend of ours who has been in the mental health field for upwards of twenty years now.  It’s in response to our article on “Loose lips can cost you your gun rights”.


by GardenSerf

The mental health reporting requirements have been in practice in both IN and MI and disclosure of current/past treatment has been required at the time of application in both states.  MI only wants to know about CURRENT treatment and IN wants to know about all history of treatment (entire lifetime) –except if it dealt with marital counseling or alcohol/drug abuse.  Yes, you read that right:  Get an antidepressant 10 years ago in IN and the Indiana State Police wants you to sign a release so they can look over your health records; but, talk to a counselor about smoking pot an hour ago and that is NOT reportable in IN.

That said, we health care practitioners are very careful about reporting anyone as a threat to self, others, etc.  You have to be very sure about this because as the practitioner you could end up in court, an administrative hearing or a deposition.  This takes away from your paid business.  You might even get sued by the person you tried to commit.

I have been in the field for over 20 years and I’ve seen emergency detention orders used for good reasons such as suicide attempt (with no BS threat to repeat), threatening to kill one’s family, psychotic break, etc.  Most of the time we can get a person in for voluntary treatment (which is not reportable under Federal rules pertaining to future FFL firearm transfers).  Keep in mind, though, some of the things that brought them to us in the first place have already generated a criminal charge.

I do not want a separate database which tracks mental health conditions which are not related to involuntary commitments (signed by a JUDGE) or other court adjudication of mental defect.  If we lower that standard I understand there is a huge potential for abuse by the state.

Otherwise, who is to say what other health conditions are added in the future:  diabetes?  seizures?  stroke?  I can think of many conditions where someone could abuse their authority and argue that the person might not be able to safely handle their weapon or might pass out and leave their weapon unsecured in public.

For this to change, though, it will take lawsuits by the people affected.  It might take a class action lawsuit by combat veterans who receive mental health/PTSD treatment at the V.A. who do not want their health records reviewed by someone at the State Police who completely lacks any legitimate qualification.

6 thoughts on “A mental health professional responds to our “Loose lips can cost you your gun rights” story”
  1. Illinois reporting requirements are very problematic.

    Who reports? physicians, clinical psychologists, or a qualified examiner.

    Qualified examiners include a whole host of professions that may not be properly trained to determine if a report needs to be made: social worker, registered nurse, licensed clinical counsellor, marriage counsellor and school administrator (principal or his/her designee).

    If “little Johnny” gets in a fight at school does he lose his FOID card?

    Have you ever heard a kid say, “I’m gonna kill you!” meaning that the he/she was frustrated? This reporting law could become political correctness on steroids.

    The gun grabbers have learned that they cannot ban the guns. But with this law, they can start banning gun ownership.

  2. Welcome to 1984!

    Orwell was right.

    So was Aldous Huxley; it is indeed a Brave New World!

    Things are going to get interesting–as in the Chinese curse interesting.

  3. What is reportable? Clear and present danger, intellectual delay and developmental delay.

    Clear and present danger is pretty straight forward, but does require a judgement call.

    The definition of intellectual delay and developmental delay are problematic. Developmental delay can include things like seizure disorders or cerebral palsy. Many people with these conditions are perfectly capable of the responsibility and safe practices required to own and use a defensive firearm.

    This stuff could get reported on a child and come back to bite them years later as an adult applying for their first FOID card.

    The reports are anonymous. Reporters are protected from liability unless there is willful or wanton misconduct. Do you know how hard it is to prove willful and wanton misconduct?

    This law is ripe for abuse.

  4. Aaron Zelman used to tell me the dangers of having lists. Now I guess we get to learn that lesson in Illinois.

    We should never have had the FOID card or the 68 GCA. They are slippery slope laws

  5. so if a person has a disorder like Tourette syndrome their vocal cords should be removed because they misuse their 1st amendment rights?

    1. Hey dont give the lib-tards any idea’s!
      If the left said we had to do it for the children were in trouble.

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